Is it a commandment from God Rick? Go figure! where the body of men although made perfect wasnt made compleat, and thats why jesus didnt have a wife, but men need a wife. I want u to name men in d new testament dat had more than 1 wife… don’t eat shell fish) and regulations of cleanliness. I do not ADVOCATE the transgression of God’s laws as they pertain to me. You note correctly that Abraham’s sin was to try to do it himself. Such is the problem with translating Hebrew to English. If the Bible is inerrant in the text we currently have, how do you explain a just Deity ordering the slaughter of innocent children in the following verses : And I’d reckon nobody wants me because of my beliefs regarding polygyny. Beyond that, it isn’t important, ultimately, in the decision making process, what she FEELS about it. Psalm 119:24 YOUR statutes are my delight; THEY ARE MY COUNSELLORS. Even Augustine (354-450), in his Contra Faustum Manichaeum, writes, To “lust after” or “covet your neighbour’s wife means to have the desire to have her, not to simply look at her and admit in your mind that she is a beautiful and desirable woman. If He does not then it will not be, simple as that. I have several in my home (my mother’s house). Don’t just take other religious beliefs, or teachings as the good book says, study to show yourselves approved. To run my train of thought back to that of polygamy, I would like to state that in addition to the religious reasons for polygamy, a remarkable case may be made for polygamy in a mostly secular fashion. of polgamy in the NT, and they are all pretty much equally inconclusive, even Please re-read the three above and apply it to this question. 14 Esther 2:2-4 – Esther was at least the second wife of the King. I might be wrong, but it appears you’ve made up your mind on the matter. I speak as someone who has actually treated patients who are victims of this system. It’s the misuse of that text. Should polygamy (polygyny and polyandry) be legal? I am a straight man who is attracted to women with red and blond hair. Why that would be, I cannot say for certain. Right now, what our world needs is equality among all people. “Also, if you want to make polygyny evil by association with Cain’s descendants (who are not called “ungodly” at all in the Scripture), then I hope you likewise avoid cities, animal husbandry, metalworking, and so on, all of which were pioneered by Cain or his descendants.” — True point. May be the early western churches were influenced by a secular culture which promoted a strong monogamy and homosexuality while prohibiting the polygamy of Semitic cultures. And he was a man after God’s own heart (Acts 13:22). Every one of us is worthy of death. 11 And that is what some of you were. The point is this…God’s view of marriage is very specific. Polygamy was allowed in the OT because it was legal in the nation of He didn’t discard the Law, he pointed out how much deeper it goes than anyone thought…how much more guilt we have before God than we could ever imagine…and then proceeded to fulfill the Law perfectly. It was not a wholly bad situation. These words have been used at millions of weddings around the world. god is beyond all our discription of understanding.” even though your not likely to ever find it. The Levitical law may be subdivided into three categories: Women, Jack Wellman is a father and grandfather and a Christian author and pastor of Heritage Evangelical Free Church in Udall, KS & also a Prison Minister. This is that I love my Wife, but, I also adore the beauty of other women and I have prayed and read and prayed and read and I’m still battling. Other residents also termed that city their own (idios). It appears that the Christian polygynous fundamentalist belief system incorporates many practices of ancient Judaism which are not currently practiced in most Christian denominations. Mr. Beckman : I think people’s hearts are very hard, and they will read anything into the Bible that they want, just as the pharisees did. Numbers 20 The woman incidently was not brought to Jesus to be tried. The fact that the biblical scriptures support polygamy only goes to bolster my support in the case of the marriage as a religious ceremony. mtDNA is extremely rare in males and found in possibly only one male case and was linked with infertility. The husband is the head of the wife just as Jesus is the head of the husband; and how are believers in Jesus described? I’m still unclear what it is Stephen contributed other than divisiveness, but I’ve also yet to receive any clarification on that from his church. It’s okay. And they called this the best they could do! (It is no trouble for me to mention them again since they are vital to this discussion.). I may as well keep you all posted on the outcome of my wife and I and our chat regarding ‘Men of the Bible with Multiple Wives’. Obviously, things like the deity of Christ, the total depravity of man, the exclusivity of Christ as the means of salvation, those things are central. The “biblical arguments against polygyny” don’t exist. Having been humbled by Saul, they were not eligible women for other men. Rick, the grace of God be upon you. If you really don’t like the “slavery” aspect of it, the problem isn’t with polygyny — it’s with the Bible. These influential women of the Bible impacted not only the nation of Israel but also eternal history. This handmaid also had two children, after which the Lord opened up Leah’s womb and she bore more children. That principle is carried over into the New Testament in the principle of not being unequally yoked. Further, the second half of the verse, after “the wife,” states that “they” are joint heirs. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter. 3 You must consider that God is not hypocritical and that He does not change. Men preferred men to women. (Hebrews 8:7-12). Is Christ Lord? It does say “flesh”. I would suggest that others do not make judgements or assume that they know what is good, bad, or the norm in those families without seeing for themselves. You said in you’re own post that polygyny wasn’t novel, but what do you say about the fact that monogamy was? You are a false teacher. I can inspire you to make a sandwich, but you are the one who decides what the sandwich is like. 13 Nehemiah 13:26 – Solomon is again shown to have sinned because he took foreign wives and multiplied wives, not because he had more than one wife. Or of Abraham? For one thing, the Catholic Church does not forbid priests to marry. Yes. No pun. I am a new believer in God. In general that is going to be more extremist types than more libertarian live and let live types. Just believe I may believe a couple of things that the Mormons also believe does not make me a Mormon, for example. so they didnt talk much about her.” you see, i have strange thoughts about the bible its self, i honestly think there was way more to the story. What this tells me is that Priscilla opened her home up to Paul, a man who was a stranger up till then. Most of them, though, if they were to follow their beliefs to the *only* logical conclusion, must believe that killing a human is no more or less tragic than stepping on an ant or eating a carrot. I like to think of it as a collective moral system, as opposed to a subjective or objective system of morals. Math 19:8 Christ tells them MOSSES told them because of the HARDENING of their/YOUR heart, but from the BEGINING it was NOT soo. You punish someone for doing something wrong. are commanded to obey civil authority. Then, the man marries a Christian woman, on her way to Heaven. Am I emotionally able or financially secure enough for multiple partners? Keep it going, if you want! So, Marta, as a Presbyterian, how do I question the leadership on areas of doctrinal dispute? The difficulty is mainly that it will always be a survey of polygamists who desire to take part in studies. I should also note that no one in particular is EVER commanded to marry by a law of God unless that law also could and frequently DID require their polygynous marriage. Likewise, the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31 pictures a woman who is not only a wonderful wife and homemaker but is also involved in local economy and so on. • “Yes, God did approve of polygamy.”, In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so! for and against polygamy down to the very Greek words in dispute. Just as He will not divorce the church despite her adulteries with this world, so too should we never divorce our wives, despite what they may do. I don’t understand why you think morals have to be objective or else there is an inevitable nihilism. The commands to marry in particular are confined to “Levirate Law” and the laws concerning the seduction of an unbetrothed virgin. That Belshazzar had multiple wives, though? When I embraced Calvinism, I got that question a lot too. What you’re saying is nice if it was being said by an atheist, but for someone who calls themselves a Christian, the conclusions reached by following such statements logically are indefensible. The logical answer is that polygyny is not sinful and that men are free to have more than one wife if they so desire. i once asked a preacher, and this was his response, in a nut shell by the way. Were the wives of David fools? It started getting a bit messy so I’ve left it there. Method: A sample of 352 women participated in this study: 235 (67%) were in a monogamous marriage and 117 (33%) were in a polygamous marriage. It clearly is by the three main (allegedly) “monotheistic” religions. Her name is Hebrew for “princess” which is perfectly fitting since she would become the mother of many nations, just like Abraham would father many nations. Thanks for the comment, Jeff, and for fact-checking for me. Actually, there is no term in Scripture given to the act of one man taking more than one wife over and above the terms used for taking his first wife. Your concerns may be legitimate, but they are irrelevant to the theological discussion of the sinfulness (or not) of polygyny. Do we have a choice as far as polygamy is concerned?We do under the “feminization in America” as you call it. For those reasons I have been in support of the individual’s right to choose polygamy for many years. In 1st Corinthians 7:2 Paul is saying that what is true about “wife ownership” is not true about “husband ownership.” This is crucial. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. I would say that monogamy is a trick of the devil to cause men to fall. I did not adhere to that in my heart. With that said though, does this mean he is cruel or evil, i would natually think the god the bible talks about couldnt be evil. Become feminist lesbians? So, right up till the 1900’s Polygamy has a history of helping and protecting women, and has a history of women favoring it. But to settle it for me, with or without Vows, marriage is Holy and sacred and is not to be taken lightly for Jesus said “let your YES be a YES and your NO be a NO”. Blessings to you in the name of the Father. How can we say that anything is wrong without God telling us it is wrong. Since you are unable to show me where this verse description exists, then I reject it as proved. God with more than one wife. Jesus, of course. By and large, polygamy is When God called Abraham to leave everything he’d ever known, remember that so did Sarah (Gen 12:1-6). No. They, after all were under the Law of curses and blessings and reaped terrible curses when they transgressed. She prefers to stay the way she was before I introduced her to Christ. oh, and loki is my online name not because im afread to share my given name, but out of privacy sakes, last time i opened my mouth about my ideas, i had to move to get it too stop, i made everyone mad, because in the world i wish we would let ourselfs live in, was a world baised off of love, not fear, but sadly its a world of fear for people who can think for themselfs. for those that don’t know Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. — Mitochondrial DNA studies have shown that the forerunners of the human race were 7 females, not men. Consider that ti is likely much higher odds, then consider how many polygamists must be out there in order to find one family of 5 willing to sign release papers and open up their personal lives on camera. Re : Divorce Rates : The reason why the divorce rate is lower in countries which have widespread polygamy is simply because the women in these cultures do not have the legal or religious right to file a divorce action. I don’t care what anyone else says because I don’t know them. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. (The matter of Lamech’s murder-in-self-defense is unrelated to his polygyny, despite the popularity of it as an argument against polygyny.). The link between killing girls and monogamy is not often made, but it is quite compelling, how is it that a warlike culture with many men dieing in battle also a monogamous one? But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” And after him Abdon the son of Hillel, a Pirathonite, judged Israel. However, when bringing up a subject like polygamy, it is difficult (if not impossible) for some to reason it purely based on scripture, without thinking about the impact it may have on society, health, and what have you. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” King Solomon known for his wisdom, his wealth and his writings, apparently had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines, known as secondary wives, according to the Bible I Kings. Also, if that’s the argument you want to use, then wouldn’t the high rate of divorce within the church be a fine argument against monogamy? This is not “Old Testament baggage,” this is Scripture, through and through. (Remember, this is a book that says women can be raped into marriage because the rape takes away the only thing of value a woman has in the view of the Lawgiver: virginity.). Yes, I’m married. I believe if we weren’t forced into monogamy the divorce rate would decrease & people would be much happier. Because with Yahweh there is no silence it is Yeah or Nay, right or wrong, no grey areas. You see the principle here? However, the problem is that If anybody is interested in the short blurb I didn’t feel like posting tonight, I will post it. Be it NO wife, ONE wife, or MORE THAN ONE wife, it is only as God calls and gives. However, if I take multiple wives now, I’m immediately disqualified for future service as an elder. The Apostle Paul said: RO 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. If you’re “smart” enough to debate theology, philosophy, and so on, let’s be smart enough to stay on topic, shall we? Yes. (Galatians 6:4, The Scriptures). You accused her of attempting to associate you with this group. Read it and weep. Answer: King David had many wives, according to the Bible, although only eight of them are named. The Word says: “ it is better for a person to marry than to burn” but what does one do when they can not find a spouse? In particular, the children of a wife who is perceived to be a rival are frequently abused. Her story is recorded in Genesis 16:1-16 and Genesis 21:9-21. The passage goes on to address divorce directly. David also took Ahinoam of Jezreel; and they were also both of them his wives. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I don’t think most churchgoers realize how indoctrinated they are by their denominations. You (the believer or non-believer) will deal with the consequences of that belief or unbelief. We love eachother, we married in the wrong circumstances though, and I am battling. Saying “Jesus gave us freedom & equality” misses so many points in exchange for something that sounds good on a bumper sticker. I cannot think of a modern day motive that would make it pure, and I highly doubt if there are those today who are kings and need to marry for an alliance, or someone who consummated a marriage with the wrong bride, or have fought a battle in such a manner as to be rewarded with multiple women. They were talking about traditional families and involved a polygyny/polyandry group situation. So what was the purpose of this discourse in the first place ? These “Christian” Polygamists are quick to cite verses to justify gratification of their sexual appetites with multiple women, but recall these verses were written in an era when women were nothing more than CHATTEL, without education or the ability to provide for themselves, totally dependent on men for their survival – and their only possession which apparently had any value was their HYMEN. Bible verses about Multiple Wives. His problem stemmed from his committing idolatry with the gods of his wives; in other words, were all of his wives happy Hebrews, there wouldn’t have been an issue. He did not mean it literally obviously. Now, I could also inspire you to make a roast beef sandwich with mustard and rye bread, but did I tell you to make that? :). I have made mention here in the past that I haven’t been to church in a while. If it was a sin to be a polygamist, there would have been a rule here saying if the man was already married, he would be punished or stoned. Patience is something I am learning at the moment. You can read more about it and its uses here. But marrying more than one woman is never called or described, or implied as sin. Role of the Husband in the Bible "But if any man does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. " Modern myth. Could it be that God is taking away the body parts that they are neglecting? Now to those that have lifted up the issue of the law of the land; wasn’t it Apostle Peter that challenged the Sanhedrin on such issues and said point blank that if he had to choose between God and the law of the land he would rather he broke the law ? You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”. This makes Butt and his movement relevant to the conversation, as it is an attempt to understand more about where you stand on the subject, and whether or not you are making the assertion that polygamy should be put into practise. I also don’t beleave in a lot of actions being sins, and heres the shocker statement “I dont beleave everthing im told” like i was once told that God wrote the bible, when in all acuallity it was man who wrote it, by the will of God. No. But then something unexpected happened, she gave some to her husband, who was WITH her, and he ate also. Hi if lust was considered to be a sin by itself. Josephus sounds very interesting, Tretullin is hard on the soul to read as he is so extreme and ill tempered in everything. I think any pastor worth his salt would welcome the opportunity to debate certain issues. It can be good choices or bad choices but it is freedom to choose just like a man can choose to make choices for his life. (comment #2 is the worst offender) That is a tactic that has been employed through the ages by the enemy of God. The next major occurrence is when it was allowed after the 30 years war, and much debate ensued then, but if we are talking about the state of women we really must talk about Thelyphthora, literally translated On the Ruination of Women. If you jam this understanding down her throat, she probably will leave you and when she does, she will take your children with you. It appears in extant letters from officers and other extant scripts, and Aristotle looks favorably upon it in one of his works. Most of them show that most men are polygamous in nature wheras women are generally monogamous. Abraham married his half sister and then gave her away to a king without informing the king Sarah was his wife. It is interesting how many people have an opinion of polygamy, and have never seen it first hand, or known anyone that lived this type of marriage structure, have never asked the women if they like it, love it, or have benefitted from it at all. What does science have to do with the interpretations of a book? If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. The ability of women to vote, get an education, hold a job, drive a car, have her own husband who is not shared with anyone, and even venture outside the household are accomplishments of feminism, and we as women should be proud. Caleb had at least two concurrent wives plus some concubines, and there is no sign that this wasn’t a normal, expected family structure. Does the Bible allo…, Adding a Website Snapshot Shortcode to WordPress. 3 Jehoiada chose two wives for him, and he had sons and daughters.” – 2 Chron 24. The only thing that really pissed God off in the Old Testament was Idolatry. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are groups which identify themselves by polygyny, but I have noticed that when a group splinters away and puts so much emphasis on one area, they end up being way off base on other, more important issues. This is what I think Paul means when he says to both “submit to one another” and “wives, submit to your husbands” in Ephesians 5:21-22. God creates people, knowing they will do things he doesn’t like. (Jude 1:6, The Scriptures). Apparently you don’t agree with them, nor do you agree with all the early leaders of the Christian Church, who specifically condemned the practice. For years, I’ve taught that Lucifer is not Satan — that Satan was never an angel but could only appear as one. Charlene, I am taking no offense. David, Solomon, Abraham, and the polygamist patriarchs of Old Testament scripture are not exactly my idea of Christian role models. The view on the Gifts is probably where I vary from my church the most (except polygyny of course). If that is the case and if Jesus is the example, why didn’t he have a wife? man’s mind, if it’s not the primary motivation outright. There are references to the body being many parts, not all the same, but all equal, so why is it that requirements for deacons and elders are assumed to be applied to parts of the body that God did not apply them to? Yes, God commanded polygyny. Those of us who debate this are accused of ear tickling, but the truth is it is not an attractive topic. — Mark 3:28–28 v. Colossians 2:13 & 1 John 1:9, More Than Just Friends? 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